12B Anecdotes

topic posted Mon, August 30, 2004 - 8:03 PM by  Ann
OK, I want to hear some anecdotes from the 12b days...your coolest buddies, hottest hot chat, favorite flamewars, and meeting people in 3D...anyone?
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Ann
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  • Re: 12B Anecdotes

    Sat, September 4, 2004 - 2:16 PM
    Anna,

    Section 12b of HSX in Compuserve certainly played a key role in the burgeoning of the internet as a meeting-ground for kinkfolk, prior to any widespread websurfing ( -- or even any provision for websurfing included in the standard Windows software of the '90s). I came into 12b in 1995, opening up to the new medium of online posting at the same time that I opened up to my new identity as a dom and sadist.

    Back then, entrance to 12b required a "signed" statement that BDSM was some kind of essential element of my sexuality. A strangely symbolic statement which felt like a commitment -- impossible to enforce, difficult even to interpret, but representing a memorable warning of the seriousness of this subculture in the eyes of its members.

    By 1997 my 12b involvement was slowly beginning to wane. But by then I had learned all sorts of stuff:

    (1) The amalgamation "BDSM" does not actually mean that "D/s" is at all similar to "S/M", and the two may or may not be pursued by the same people. In fact, either of the two may be actually scorned by different kinkfolk.

    (2) Despite that fact, all kinkfolk have in common the tendency to be obsessed with issues of power, making it difficult for them to hear what you're saying sometimes, unless you have first kissed their ass.

    (3) Online posting is its own skill, and some of the technically best writers may turn out to know surprisingly little about anything. One of the wittiest contributors to
    the 12b board, who subsequently opened his own website named after it, turned out to be not only mostly-blind but also agoraphobic: meaning, he not only couldn't meet people in 3D, he didn't *want to*.

    (4) Despite that fact, eventually it felt to me like it was the munches that were the backbone of 12b. Unlike other ephemeral internet contacts, 12b people actually knew each other physically. It gave the whole thing substance. And I still feel that way.

    (5) BDSM is a state of mind, not a social skill. I know it *should be* a social skill, since it usually involves two or more people in cooperation. But in practice, we saw members of 12b who were close to pathologic in their inability to carry on
    civilized conversations. One woman literally couldn't keep herself from trying to hurt everyone she contacted. Hurt them verbally I mean, hurt their feelings: an odd form of LDR sadism where you have to imagine all the pain you're causing.

    We also had members who were too good for us, or too good for any social grouping. One sadodom kept trying to instruct the rest of us on how we should train ourselves for the practice of kink, even going so far as to hold several days of classes and demos in the San Francisco area for all 12b members. Eventually he threw up his hands at the futility of trying to teach us idiots anything, and left us (presumably to be swallowed up in the mass crowd.)

    (6) Despite that fact, the most common charge leveled against the section was not that we were a fractious bitchy bunch of arguers, but rather the contrary: that we were a closed clique of buddies all busily stroking each other, and much too devoted to a "kind and gentle" philosophy. We ended up notorious for being the kind and gentle sadomasochists. I didn't know what the hell that meant, then, and I still don't.

    For me, 12b felt like a family, and when it dissipated it felt like all the members of my family weredispersing and not paying so much as a backward glance. Since then, I've realized that it's in the nature of internet posting, as a medium, to feel like you're conversing with intimates. Don't you feel like you know me already, at least a little?, just from what I've written here? . . .

    . . . to quote Captain Tenniel on the TV series "MXC" (on Thursday nights on the Spike channel) (the most brilliant and profound TV series since "The Family Guy"), "Well, you're wrong!"


    -- Adrian
    • Re: 12B Anecdotes

      Sun, September 5, 2004 - 11:51 PM
      Well, I suppose I abandoned it without a backward glance sometime before then; but it always was a fractious sort of place. Before Compuserve was forced into flat rate, I remember thinking how much I didn't want to pay a lot of money to argue. Still I met some great folks who are really not difficult in real life (perhaps I just picked the best ones!) and all in all it changed my life a lot. I had forgotten that "signed statement" but it brings a smile to my face...Lately I've been reconnecting with some of those folks and finding it a good thing!
    • Re: 12B Anecdotes

      Mon, September 6, 2004 - 9:52 AM
      <I>Despite that fact, all kinkfolk have in common the tendency to be obsessed with issues of power, making it difficult for them to hear what you're saying sometimes, unless you have first kissed their ass.</i>

      I read this as "kicked their ass." Which also works.

      Signed,
      Why, Yes, I Used to Be Lorelei
      • Re: 12B Anecdotes

        Mon, September 6, 2004 - 5:49 PM
        Funny, I read it that way too, first time around! Yes, you either need to kiss or kick their ass (be sure to choose the right one!) before proceeding to the real sharing. :)
    • Re: 12B Anecdotes

      Mon, September 6, 2004 - 5:37 PM
      Milord A.-

      how very fantastic to be on a board with you again. I never did get the chance to thank you for your advice and intervention with those Jesuits that were stalking me.

      How nice to see all these faces/pixels again!

      Stay Warm,
      Lawrence
  • Re: 12B Anecdotes

    Mon, September 6, 2004 - 5:51 PM
    Midear Anna-

    I refer to 12b so often in my conversation that my friends believe it to be some utopian delusion resulting from my recent medical troubles.

    I'd say my all time favorite thread was M.RonK's 'into the sunset', which, as I recall, ran for six months of M.Ron saying 'one more thing...' and then "now I really am leaving".

    my Favorite munch story is tied between lassoing Mischa in Hellfire NYC (it was our first meeting, and friends were in the middle of cautioning her to take it slow when my line fell gently over her head and snugged up around her neck...), and introducing Milord A. and Milord K. (who'd been fueding online, and where standing next to each other at Sinbad's on the Wharf in SF, not know how the other was).

    I miss Kisa. I miss Gwen. I miss, most of all, the man we all miss- The utterly improbable, verifiably fantastic Duncan. I miss M.Ron and Dixie. I miss Milady C., and Milady L. (that's her right up there) and Milady B. and all my those who showed me the grandmotherly kindness that I was so undeserving of. I even miss Jen, who missed me when she threw my collar at me<g>.

    Imiss calling everyone Milord,Milady, and midear and miboy...

    But I still, always, end my posts/emails with

    Stay warm,
    Lawrence
    • Re: 12B Anecdotes

      Mon, September 6, 2004 - 7:24 PM
      Lawrence, a good laugh: "some utopian delusion". Just makes me picture a sort of kinky heaven where warring Masters cozy up and everyone is wearing black leather wings. :)

      I was an east coaster at the time so I never did get to go to Camp Wacka-Wacka, but heard many great stories.

      I was memorably caned by Jer on my 33rd birthday, causing a stir because I yelled so loud. I miss Lori R (that was at her house) and am waiting for her to show up here!
      • Re: 12B Anecdotes

        Mon, September 13, 2004 - 10:19 AM
        Anna,

        << I suppose I abandoned it without a backward glance sometime before then >>

        Really?, I'm kindof known for my backward glances. (Backward stares, more often.) Regret is something I've always cultivated the way you aerate a fine wine, giving it time to blossom and permeate the atmosphere, its heady smell filling your nosehairs with anticipation of all the emotions you'll go through tomorrow when you sober up. I'm a real joy to live with.

        << I never did get to go to Camp Wacka-Wacka >>

        I brought my then-new sub Gwen to stay at Duncan's just a couple of months before he died. He used to call me "Hamlet". I forget what he called Gwen, but he was calling her over to sit beside him every chance he got. During that visit, he was furiously dwelling on the possibility of challenging a certain Dom to a duel. (I mean, seriously.) It was also during that visit that I was flogged by Amy: the only time I've ever been flogged. Just to see what it felt like.

        << I was memorably caned by Jer on my 33rd birthday, causing a stir because I yelled so loud. >>

        Funny, the second time (the last time) Gwen was caned by Jer, she also got a lot of attention for the volume of her reactions. We sadist-types sincerely appreciate good loud vocal responses to our efforts. It makes it all worthwhile.

        << I miss Lori R (that was at her house) >>

        I have found that Lori's the kind of person you miss as soon as she leaves the room. She always seems to take a lot of the life and fun with her, wherever she goes.


        -- Adrian
    • Re: 12B Anecdotes

      Wed, September 8, 2004 - 12:30 AM
      <<I'd say my all time favorite thread was M.RonK's 'into the sunset', which, as I recall, ran for six months of M.Ron saying 'one more thing...' and then "now I really am leaving". >>

      Lawrence, the infamous "Into the Sunset" thread (also known as the Sunset Flame War) wasn't Ron K's sayonara - it was mine. Though I thought I pulled out a bit sooner than 6 months. ;)

      --Paul
      • Re: 12B Anecdotes

        Wed, September 8, 2004 - 2:52 PM
        M. Paul-

        Really? I'd have sworn it was Ron's, around '97 or so...

        Sorry. It did seem to go on and on and...

        Stay warm,
        Lawrence
        • Re: 12B Anecdotes

          Wed, September 8, 2004 - 6:10 PM
          Mine was a bit earlier than '97. More like '94 I think. So you may have added the title of my thread to Ron's farewell.
  • Re: 12B Anecdotes

    Mon, September 6, 2004 - 5:53 PM
    Oh damn.

    Tess! I miss her like mad. and Ed, and everyone.

    Stay warm,
    Lawrence
    • Re: 12B Anecdotes

      Mon, September 13, 2004 - 11:02 AM
      Lawrence,

      << those Jesuits that were stalking me. >>

      It's rumored that Franz Mesmer developed what was later called "hypnosis" from watching how a certain Jesuit could put his victims into trance by speaking Latin to them.

      << introducing Milord A. and Milord K. (who'd been fueding online, and where standing next to each other at Sinbad's on the Wharf in SF, not know how the other was). >>

      Kirk was very nice to me, given how rude I had been . . . Of course there's always HIS kind of Dom, the kind who knows how to Speak The Language Of Women. A rare skill, which can be awfully impressive. Me, I usually just shout "Kneel down!" and see if it works.

      << I miss Kisa. I miss Gwen. [etc.] >>

      Yes I miss Gwen too, most days. Until she gets home from work. Folks like Ron K. seem so very very *different* in real life than they come across in posts: he was so quiet and unassuming in 3D. (I thought.)

      I met Dixie at the very first munch I attended. I thought she looked hot. Interestingly, later when I saw her naked in a dungeon, she looked less interesting, because her body was in such good shape. It kept me from looking at her face, and a woman's heat is in her face. I don't like trim athletic bodies on women: they look cold, like too-perfect sculptures. Men should all have pot bellies like me, and women should all be overweight like Marilyn Monroe. (!)

      << Tess! I miss her like mad. and Ed >>

      That's because Tess is mad. As a hatter. Every year at Folsom, at some point (usually Sunday evening after a lot of drinks) Tess makes a grab for Gwen's boobs. Even most macho-idiot GUYS aren't that clumsy!

      We vacationed with Carolyn and Ed last year. And I rudely criticized him for wearing his belt too high. Speaking of pot bellies <g>, -- Ed's is entirely in his imagination. I mean, it's unnoticeable out here in 3D. Until he wears his waistband too high, to try to cover it up. Then people go, "Why's he wearing his belt on his chest? What's wrong with his stomach?" . . . Anyway, Ed is writing songs nowadays and recording them.

      Jen . . . well, I assume you know what she's writing. And (I gather) frequently tearing her hair out, in the process. She never does anything calmly, y'know.

      (I'm going to get in trouble for saying all this stuff, aren't I. Are you SURE we can't delete our posts five minutes after we submit them?)


      -- Adrian
      • Jer
        Jer
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        Re: 12B Anecdotes

        Wed, December 22, 2004 - 8:34 PM
        <<Kirk was very nice to me, >>

        I bumped into Kerry at a toy show at the Sanctuary in Atlanta about two or three years ago. We sat down and got all caught up. She said that Kirk had another stroke and was now living back at home with his folks. She'd not heard from him in some time.

        At the last Show I did in Atlanta, Mike G. bought a couple of canes having just gotten a promotion and feeling wealthy.

        <<Yes I miss Gwen too, most days. Until she gets home from work.>>

        Ah the lovely Gwen; please give her a hug for me. I can't believe Tess lunges for her tits and misses though.

        <<Folks like Ron K. seem so very very *different* in real life than they come across in posts: he was so quiet and unassuming in 3D. (I thought.)>>

        I never think of Ron as quiet and unassuming. He was, last I heard, a gentleman farmer south of Nashville, still running foxes on the weekends. I think he and Dix are history if I read correctly some of his writings which now appear on the Web periodically. I've not seen Ron since I drove the Duncmobile out east, though we chatted briefly about a year and a half ago.

        <<women should all be overweight like Marilyn Monroe. (!)>>

        Amen to that!

        <<Jen . . . well, I assume you know what she's writing.>>

        No. What is Purplewaterfall writing now?

        <She never does anything calmly, y'know. >

        Nope.

        (I'm going to get in trouble for saying all this stuff, aren't I.>>

        No more so than I. Hope all is well with you.

        Regards,

        Jer
  • Re: 12B Anecdotes

    Fri, September 10, 2004 - 7:19 AM
    Three words - The Shopping Trip <g>. For anyone who wasn't around when I made my debut three plus years ago, in a nutshell, following a munch set up so I could meet the local gang, we headed off to Mr. S where Paul and Bret proceded to steer me around introducing me to darn near everything in the store. I had my first tastes of a flogger, a violet wand, and knife play - yum! Then Bret and I went off to Stormy Leather where I tried on some things and we talked endlessly while parading me around the store scantily clad in full leathers, gigantically tall shoes, and my arms tied behind my back with the corset strings.

    As a total newbie, I celebrated my 45th birthday at C's house, and Paul gave me my very first spanking ever.

    I not only met some people I very much enjoy socializing with when we have the chance, but I met my first dom there. And I'm very, very grateful for the wonderful education everyone gave me, and for their putting up with me for so long <g>.

    Wendy

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